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Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride talk with Michael Gungor about his newest book, THIS. As Michael shares, letting go of the stories that defined his identity and value in the world led him and his family on a wild and painful journey through atheism, mysticism, betrayal, loss, medical issues, moving trucks, and thousands of online trolls.

The deconstruction of his faith is one story. The transformation of it is another. As Michael lets us know, our stories are the seams of illusion that we sew into reality―in order to label this and that. But what you think of as you (or anything else for that matter) is simply movement within the ocean of Being―of THIS. Once you see that is it just a story, you can let go and be free.

You can get your copy of THIS on or, if you prefer audio books,  you can get THIS for free by signing up for an Audible trial using our affiliate link.

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What I'm Learning

Hillary McBride and Science Mike talk about learning to cope with change, growth, and intimacy.

Want to see Michael Gungor and Science Mike this May? Tickets for their summer tour are on sale now.

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Buddhist (Part 2)

This week we're talking with Sharon Salzberg. Sharon is a central figure in the field of meditation, a world-renowned teacher and NY Times bestselling author. She has played a crucial role in bringing meditation and mindfulness practices to the West and into mainstream culture since 1974, when she first began teaching. She is the co-founder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA and the author of ten books including NY Times bestseller, Real Happiness, her seminal work, Lovingkindness and her forthcoming release by Flatiron Books, Real Love. Renowned for her down-to-earth teaching style, Sharon offers a secular, modern approach to Buddhist teachings, making them instantly accessible. She is a regular columnist for On Being, a contributor to Huffington Post, and the host of her own podcast: The Metta Hour. For more information, visit

We've got a handful of tickets left for our next kin retreat. If you're a man interested in confronting harmful cultural scripts around masculinity, we'd love for you to join us in Ojai this May.

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Not Christian

In the final episode of our Christian series, William Matthews tells Michael Gungor why he should be a Christian.

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This episode is about the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, as explored through the perspectives of science, art, and faith.

The Ethics of F***ing

TRIGGER WARNING: The interview with Christopher West in Part 2 could be triggering to members of the LGBTQIA+ community. It's included so people with non-affiriming viewpoints on LGBTQIA+ on sexuality are prompted to examine the implications of that worldview, but we encourge our listners to use discretion before listening to that segment.

In this episode, we’re talking about how to discern what is right and healthy for people in sexual activity.

We’d like to thank our guests on this episode, and we encourage you to check out their work.

Bromliegh McCleneghan, Author of Good Christian Sex

Darren Calhoun, Artist and Speaker

Christopher West, Author, Speaker, Teacher and Expert in John Paul II’s

Theology of the Body

Caroline Lee, Artist and Photographer

Jamie Lee Finch, Relationship Guide, Intuitive Healer

Lisa Gungor, Artist and Author